Zionists, if you want this kind of open war, let the whole world listen: Let this war be open.
--Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, Thursday, February 14, blaming Israel for the death of Hizbullah terrorist Imad Mughniyeh. [Only Bin Laden has more American blood on his hands than this man did.]
The despicable crime will increase the Zionists' disasters and strengthen the courage of those who will hit the Zionist regime. His pure blood, just like the blood of the other fighters, will claim a heavy price from the enemy. The death of Imad Mugniyeh will lead to an earthquake in the Zionist regime...
--Ahmad Moussavi, Tehran's ambassador to Damascus, Thursday, February 14, also blaming Israel for "murdering" their most beloved murderer.
Threats against Israel are taken too lightly these days. Anyone can bully Israel... anyone can lob rockets into Israel, and get away with it. But Israel gets castigated because, when push comes to shove, she chooses not to use what many idiots refer to as "proportionate response," when in fact Israel has, and continues to demonstrate her use of DISproportionate response toward her attackers-- in effect, doing little or nothing, without so much as a pat on the back by the global community for her restraint.
So now two regimes intent on destroying Israel warn of war and earthquakes?
I wonder what God has to say about this?
Wakf: Quake caused crater on Temple Mount, Israeli tunnels to blame
One day after Hizbullah and Iran thump their chests and cry "earthquake! destruction!" an earthquake strikes..... That's right! ONE day after they pridefully called for revenge on Israel for something Israel may or may not have done, an Earthquake strikes Lebanon where these two men shook their fists at Israel. Interestingly enough, the only damage IN Israel was in the Palestinian controlled West Bank... and on the Temple Mount near the Dome of the Rock.
Coincidence? Or is God wagging his finger at Israel's enemies? Is God still speaking?
Israel at least is prepared. Olmert will not survive much longer as Prime Minister, however, as his government is on the verge of collapse. Shas party head, Eli Yishai, told his supporters that "I don’t know how long this government will last. I estimate that soon we will have elections." Shas, by the way holds 12 seats in Olmerts government and can, should he instruct his party to pull out, force the government into new elections. Speaking directly to this Yishai has instructed his party's local branches to begin preparations for elections this coming November-- a year and a half earlier than scheduled.
So, yes... turmoil within the government, especially, since the Winograd Commission report has pretty much scuttled any credibility Olmert had left. On top of this is the very real likelihood that the Winograd Report was tainted for political reasons. As one official put it, "What would you prefer? A government under Olmert and Barak, or new elections that would see Bibi [Netanyahu] rise to power?."
Well, Netanyahu is very popular among the people. Just not in the halls of government. Still, as I've stated recently, when God wants to chastise a nation He raises up weak leaders-- Ehud Olmert is certainly that! --and when He's made His point, he raises up strong leaders... like Benjamin Netanyahu.
Here's the point: God is beginning to move. He will not allow Israel to fail. His prophetic plan is still in play, and it is beginning to move forward again. The fact that the Temple Mount itself was affected by last weeks' earthquake is telling in itself. The Temple WILL be rebuilt. And since God will not share the mount with another god, the Dome of the Rock and the al Aqsa Mosque must come down. And that will likely be the work of a well-timed... God-timed earthquake or two. [Interesting Fact: Did you know that when the seven year treaty is signed with Israel and the go ahead to build the Temple is given, it will only take six months to build? Herod's Temple took 50 some years, yet this third temple will only take six months.]
In the meantime, wars and desolations are determined. But, as I said, Israel is prepared. The mistakes of 2006 will not be repeated.
There are dangers to our survival on the horizon and great challenges to Israeli security. The IDF needs to ensure a rapid victory in any conflict and I cannot guarantee that we won't need to act in the near future.
--Lieutenant General Gabi Ashkenazi, Wednesday, February 13, 2008, speaking before a graduating class of new IDF officers......
...One day before Nasrallah and Moussavi thump their chests. TWO days before the earthquake.
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From John 4 ...
19The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet.
20Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
21Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
22Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
By your own standards, shouldn't the words from Jesus' own mouth trump any end-times interpretation?
Jesus was speaking about the coming Church... the Holy Spirit dwelling in believers. The rebuilding of the Temple is still to come and in no way conflicts with what Jesus said.
Didn't you say some time back that you wanted to attend a seminary? This is what I'd be taught at the seminary I'D like to attend. One would hope the same would be taught wherever you chose to attend, but I know better-- there are a lot of seminaries these days which no longer "rightly divide" truth. That, at least, is what I believe.
But there is such a thing as prophesy, and prophesies are meant to be fulfilled. If all those surrounding the first coming of Jesus were accurate, why should I believe those detailing His second coming will not be equally accurate?
The prophesy of the rebuilding of the Temple is found in the OLD Testament... Daniel for one... and nothing Jesus said will contradict what the Old Testament prophets saw.
It's as simple as that.
The CHURCH? No. He was talking about busting down such false walls, not erecting new ones.
I wish I were equally bewildered with your response, but I'm not. Because the very foundation of your faith is exclusivity, which is, while, traditional, is a corruption, in my view, of the whole point of the Incarnation.
The context of what Jesus said is in the time in which He said it. The Temple was soon to be worthless in terms of proper worship of God, and so it was the moment He died and the veil that hid the Holy of holies was rent from top to bottom.... not bottom to top. But until Pentecost, there was no worship of God in "spirit" or in "truth". Jesus said the comforter would come and He would guide us in ALL truth.
But all this says nothing about God's finished plan for Israel as described in the book of Daniel. Seventy weeks were determined. Only sixty-nine have been fulfilled. God has yet to finish His dealings with Israel. He has yet to fulfill ALL His promises to the nation of Israel.
Furthermore, the book of Revelation was given to the apostle John by Jesus Christ Himself. Can you seriously take His word in John 4 as sacrosanct, and yet brush aside His word in Revelation? Both books were penned by the same apostle. Revelation was not fulfilled in the first century AD. You cannot prove it; no credible evidence exists to prove it. I on the other hand can demonstrate from scripture alone that the events described in Revelation have not yet been fulfilled.
Again, I'm not trying to be sarcastic or insulting here. Your argument is illogical. You have said nothing to refute me. You've accused me of "superimposing," of taking verses "out of context," but you've offered no evidence; no scripture, no logic, no nothing but strawmen. If you just disagree, that's fine. You've said as much. But you can't make blanket statements like this without offering proofs of your own in refutation.
I think just about all end-times "prophecy" is hogwash. Maybe every bit of it. Come on! The Jewish Scriptures, as you say, pointed to the Messiah -- which onloy a tiny fraction of Jews recognize -- yet you think that you, or anyone can read DANIEL and interpret it anything close to correctly (assuming the writing has anything at all to do with events unfolding now, which I doubt)?
I think this kind of "junk religion" to borrow a phrase and turn it, is keeping the American church, especially, busy staring at its bellybutton when it ought to up and doing the Lord's work.
Wait a minute. You think the apostle John, himself, wrote both the Gospel of John AND the Revelation?
Wow. Curious: Do you believe that Moses wrote the Pentateuch?
Can you prove the Gospel of John was NOT written by John? No. You can't.
Are you crazier than you've been letting on? I mean, fundamentalism is one thing. But I think you've gone deeper, into some bizarre mix of fundamentalist-literalist-dispensationalist-apocalyptic-exclusionist-end-times-John-Hagee kind of weirdness. Wow.
How does one get a college education, serve in the military, have the blessing of a mind of a poet, hold down a decent job and remain basically civil and cling to such a twisted combination of doctrines, assumptions and concliusions? I've said it before: Dude, sometimes I think you just need to be SAVED, and STRIPPED of all this religious artifice.
It just seems to me that for all the accusations I get slung at me for "reading things into the Bible," you've got me beat, totally totally, totally. And I think that is waaaaay more dangerous than leaving something out -- especially if it was meant for people of a certain time andplace, and who are long gone, to begin with.
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"[E]specially if it was meant for people of a certain time and place, and who are long gone..."
Grace, then, was meant for a people of a certain time and place, who are now long gone.
If Grace is still good, so are the other parts that apply to today, though you do not recognize the truth of it.