Is prostitution truly a victimless crime? In Eliot Spitzer's case, should he not hold himself to the same standard he held others to when he was attorney general? Because prostitution is "no big deal" in Europe should we likewise view Mr. Spitzer's "indiscretion" as he would like... as a private matter? What does it say about a nation that desires to excuse such "indiscretions," considering the vow one makes when marrying? If the vow of marriage means nothing to a man or woman, how are we to believe that any other vow they make means anything to them? Since Mr. Spitzer is a super-delegate for Hillary Clinton, will she support Mr. Spitzer, or repudiate him; especially in light of her own personal history with infidelity? Is it hypocritical and dishonest for one major New England Newspaper to neglect mentioning Mr. Spitzer's party affiliation, throughout the entire article, yet in the very same point out that Senator Larry Craig was a Republican?
Is there no shame left in American politics? Is there no shame left in the American people?
Yes.
Yes.
No (he broke the law).
It says nothing about the nation, only those involved.
Totally overstates it to say their vows mean nothing to them; obviously they DO mean something, a lot.
She should accept his super-delegateness as long as he is governor, and leave whether he remains as governor up to him and the N.Y. Legislature; her personal experience with infidelity has nothing whatever to do with anything.
Yes. But the press is free, thank God.
No.
There you go again. You and yer Jude-colored glasses!
Many prostitutes are in the biz against their will, let alone their better judgment.
Many marriages are destroyed because of infidelity.
Sexually transmitted diseases are spread and lives are destroyed
As far as the Spitzer case is concerned I can name at least 4 victims:
His wife, and their three children.
And, yer just looking for someone to blame, which is the same thing as saying yer looking for someone to judge, which means yer looking for someone to look down on -- and I reject all of that.
"Is prostitution truly a victimless crime?"
The answer to that is obviously no. I'll admit that the Eliot Spitzer "incident" sparked this post, but the above question addresses, more, the insistence of many a talking head that prostitution is a victimless crime and therefore a private matter. I happen to disagree. Clearly "Prostitution" is NOT a victimless crime. The ground about Prostitution's feet are littered with victims.... many of them prostitutes.
Not any ONE person, but the Days... the Time.
...As it was in the day of Noah.
I believe it says much about a nation that won't hold to the fire the feet of a pubic official who is "caught with his pants down" as it were. If we pattern ourselves after Europe in such matters, we do not elevate ourselves, but lower ourselves to European standards. Some like to think it's progressive to overlook such indiscretions. Hardly.
If someone can't keep the marriage vow, what other important promises will be broken later? The marriage vow is personal. One would think it held personal importance, or that one would not wish to enter into the hell that is a wife, family and friends knowing what a lowlife one is. After that, what's a broken tax pledge? Yeah, that's low, but nowhere near as low as making a chump out of the mother of one's children, as well as what it does to the kids to know their father is a creep who can't control himself. Nice going, Eliot.
It took a long time from when this story first caught my attention to when I learned he's a Dem. The press might be free, but they abuse their freedom and mislead their readers/viewers/listeners when they purposely evade such details.
Shame is in woefully short supply in the US of A these days.
This is about the idea that America's moral compass has ceased to point true... that was the entire point of my post. Not to take any pleasure in Governor Spitzer's lack of integrity.
This is about his victims... his wife, his kids, every New Yorker who voted for him. Can he find redemption? Certainly. And I hope he does.
In the meantime, the press may be free-- and thank God it is --but their hypocrisy has not gone unnoticed. Furthermore, I say "thank God" the U.S. is not like Europe. Not yet, as least.
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To Clarify-- When I post under the heading "Questions to Consider," I'm not leveling charges against the object of my questions. I'm questioning the climate that allows the questions to be asked. Someone needs to start erecting some signposts, because this nation... this world has gone dangerously adrift.
"...walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, redeeming the time, because the days are evil."
--Ephesians 5:15-16
But you said "prostitution."
Besides which, the criminality of prostitution is irrelevant in this discussion as it violates God's law. Fornication and Adultery both are "illegal" in that sense.
Just dotting the i's and crossing the t's
OK. But that's taking what you initially said way farther. You asked: "Is prostitution a victimless CRIME?" If it's not a crime, then there can be no crime victim. If you meant a broader concept of crime, cool, but it's not what you said. Just dotting I's and crossing T's>
Re, "Besides which, the criminality of prostitution is irrelevant in this discussion as it violates God's law. Fornication and Adultery both are 'illegal' in that sense."
BUZZZZZZ! Next contestant! No. That, again, is going way farther than you indicated when you started out!
THIS is just one example of why I scoff at the notion of ANYTHING involving human thinking being INERRANT. You're trying hard, yet failing, to say what you mean.
And, it reminds me of your misuse of the legal term "murder" when talking about abortion. Sorry, but you don't get to personally declare that abortion is the illegal act of murder, because, sorry, it's not illegal! You cheapen the language, and you weaken your position, when you so misuse the language. Abortion may be wrong, it may be abhorrent, it may make you weep, or wretch, and it may or may not call down the wrath of Holy God Almighty God's self -- but in this country, it is NOT murder! Maybe it will be someday. Maybe it should be. But it's not now.
Cross your own T's and dot your own I's, man.
"Is prostitution truly a victimless crime?"
I didn't ask if prostitution WAS a crime because, with the exception of a very few locales, it IS illegal here in the U.S.
You're splitting "straw-hares"... You're erecting hares that didn't exist originally, just so you can split 'em and have something to argue with me about.
Straw-hares. I see your game ER.
Furthermore, according to the Bible, the only LEGAL sexual contact allowed is that between married consenting adults... between one man and one woman. Anything else is extra-curricular and therefore ILLEGAL.
Your problem in this is you don't like what the Bible "appears" to say about certain subjects so you reject them, and call into question their authority, and context-- anything to justify tossing it out as 'not God's 'word'.
Your beef isn't with me, it's with the Bible. God's word.